Hello! I saw this game few days ago and wanted to play it when I start it it won't let me write my name and username? I tried to open the game in different Browser but it won't work :( I use a phone I hope I can play the game soon tysm!!<3 :3
Actually, it was claimed multiple times it wasn’t in the first build.I can attest to it not being added until about a week or so later because enough people complained about it originally if you scroll far enough because it should’ve been a no brainer for it to be there upon release, I was here from about day 1 and I have a log of it being updated in my following notifications. Even with the warning, it still shocked and confused a lot of people, though I understand your point. Here is some people pointing it out:
im not sure to what i watched my friend stream and i am terriffied of what i have witnessed i would like to say that i heavily dislike this game with all of my passion in my heart for no absloute reason.
GIRL WHAT???? OMG WHAT??? JUMP DUCKING SCARE LIKE OMG HE WAS JUST.. AND THE CAT WAS JUST THERE AND OMG.... I CAN'T- I WON'T GO OFF ON A NOTE LIKE THAT!! I REFUSE!!!! REFUSE I SAY!!!
Hi, I am a lifelong mental healther and I'd rather have a million people with no experience with suicidal ideation make a million shitty/lazy/stupid suicide games than have one person who's been there get scared away from making art about their experiences.
ETA: Now that I have a moment to sift through some past games, I'd also personally recommend The Longest Walk and Winter in June for other short experiences about the same topics (depression/suicide) and Adventures With Anxiety! for anyone struggling with or curious about anxiety disorders. All hit close to home for me.
Take care of yourselves and please make sure you're in a good headspace if you decide to read/play. 🧡
What a horrible thing to say. Mental health as is, especially depression, is already very demonized and misunderstood. People making a million bad games about negative streotypes about depression will only harm, not help and make it significally harder for them to get any sort of help. People who have these ideations and make these games about their own experiences usually do it in a respectful and carthodic way that does not harm anyone and these games barely get enough attention as is, so you pushing this mentality on other people and displaying it proudly on a creators page is actually very gross. You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner. Shame on you.
hmmmmmm idk no clue maybe because DDLC did it a lot better and accurately wrote Sayoris issues and struggles to be realistic instead of just shoehorning the suicide in? That’s just me tho 😂😂 you do your own thing bro! Have you ever considered that maybe execution is important and doing research on these issues before you write them is a good thing? Learn some critical thinking and understand media literacy and come back to me.
DDLC was the most I've ever been upset by a piece of media as an adult, not because the game has onscreen suicide and self-harm but because after that it goes "they're AIs of shitty moe archetypes and the only reason they're this fucked up is that Monika altered their code to make them less likable, so really who cares". Sayori and Yuri being well-written actually makes this worse, because the twist comes after they were already made relatable. It still baffles me that this game isn't universally detested by the mentally ill.
And yet, that game is meaningful to many people who've experienced serious mental illness. Because people get different things out of art, and are not all offended by the same list of writing decisions. This is a part of critical thinking and media literacy, too.
Good for you that you dislike it, I’m just saying that the difference is one is well written and the other isn’t and that is apart of the reason why people like one and detest the other. That’s also apart of media literacy. I never said you couldn’t like it or that it was an accurate representation of your issues or all our issues as being mentally ill, all I said is that because it had nuance and made the characters likable and throughly explained a lot of plot threads and did a new and interesting story it is way more meaningful and memorable in that way. I’m tired of you guys trying to write this off as art when art has meaning and research and love put into this while this did not. That is the primary difference. Your main points were still bad and this doesn’t prove or deny anything, congratulations for disliking a universally loved game, you are so original and unique.
So I'm not a real crazy person because I have different priorities about art? Very cool of you. Can't wait to tell my psychiatrist that I reliably experience emotions and want to live.
Never said you weren’t. Just said this was a shitty thing to say and if you cared about what people are saying you’d acknowledge that people have different perspectives and points then you do and claiming people don’t understand art because of messy and shitty writing and plot points and treating it like it’s high art is actually just weird. Do not mince my words, I disagree with your point but I never once claimed you weren’t actually mentally ill and trying to throw in the “I like pancakes” “so you must hate waffles” point is petty and unneeded,I never once said anything like that and you saying that shows me you have not entered the conversation with an open mind and civil intentions. If your going to result to undermining my entire point by taking things extremely out of context, I'd rather just not even bother arguing with someone like you.
Hi, you absolutely did say it to them though. You said, verbatim, "You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner". (You also implied that the creator of the game, which does suck, by the way, don't get me wrong!, can't possibly be mentally ill because THEY are expressing themselves in a way YOU don't like. I don't like it either and I don't know whether that person is mentally ill, but unlike you, I live in a world where I can acknowledge that it's possibly that another mentally ill person might sometimes make stupid art, because of course that can happen.)
So! Considering that original post was very clearly coming from a perspective of caring about other "mental healthers", as it is very insane to imagine that someone saying they don't want to risk accidentally censoring the art of a person who might have mental health issues would mean it for any other reason, the only reasonable assumption is that you're implying that they don't have those issues at all. Or were you trying to say something that made even less sense and was even less relevant? Either way, you've declared that anyone who doesn't have your exact perspective must not care about other people, while brutally attacking anyone who makes art you dislike. This is ridiculous, fundamentally pro-censorship, and overall it's absolutely disgusting. You were trying to be hurtful and you know you were and the least you could do is not be a coward about it, but of course that won't happen, because you don't have a meaningful stance here, and you live life with such intensive cognitive dissonance that you're able to convince yourself that wanting to CENSOR ART THAT YOU PERSONALLY FELT WASN'T VERY GOOD is actually a very good stance that makes the world better. You've convinced yourself that CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow more free to discuss sensitive topics, and that NOT CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow less free. A child could tell you how little sense that makes.
You haven't taken responsibility for any of the awful things you said, you claim to be defending media literacy and critical thinking even though everything about your approach does nothing but further damage and disincentivize those things, your various posts about this consist of you pretty much refuse to engage honestly with a single point being by anyone you're talking to, and you still have the gall to act like it's OTHERS who aren't approaching this debate in good faith and can't be reasonably engaged with? Yeah, no. The game being criticized sucks, but there's no question whatsoever that you are the person here who should be ashamed.
Don't worry, though, I won't try to debate you. This post really isn't even for you, because you've already made it abundantly clear that you're a dishonest, vicious, pearl-clutching reactionary who has never once been willing to actually communicate. I'm just putting it here because this whole exchange left me searingly angry and I want there to be a record of someone refusing to swallow your crap.
*the one and only edit actually Forgot about the stupid DDLC take you had in another comment. Not here to debate that with scum like you either, but WOW it sure was gross how you responded by basically saying "lol who cares that the game I liked more actually hurt you, because I liked it" and then deliberately implied that they secretly only disliked the game because it's popular, as if it's literally impossible for someone to have a different experience than yours and anyone who did must be lying. And please don't even bother trying to explain how actually when you said that you meant something else. You meant what you said and you know it. Alright, peace. I hope your life is really, really bad and it only ever gets worse.
You’re allowed to disagree with my point but WOW. It hurt you, someone who was not even involved in this exchange, THAT much, to where you have to harass and want someone’s life to be worse because they disagree with you, how am I pro censorship?? I’d argue that’s more pro censorship than my points could ever be and resulting to insulting someone and calling them names instead of having a discussion does not make you look like the superior one in the argument and instead makes you seem a lot worse, you sound extremely childish, immature and you sound like a sad, lonely, miserable person and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be around you because of the way you act. If your only argument is to verbally beat someone cuz they dare to not have the same opinion as you and get THIS heated about a conversation YOU aren’t even in, I think it shows just how cruel and hateful you are, how am I the reactionary one when your first thought is to harass someone and jump the gun because of a disagreement? This is literally against TOS. I comment on posts to give my perspective and communicate points I’m trying to make and I am actually willing to hear people out, if you look at the conversation I had with someone else in this thread. I am not for censorship, I legitimately just said we shouldn’t condone or support shitty representation of mental health issues because we are a minority as is and putting bad representation of us out there is not going to help us, that is literally the most basic, non-problematic, obvious opinion ever. If that’s pro censorship and I don’t want myself to be negatively represented in the media I consume and how people view my mental illness, then yeah I guess I am pro censorship in your eyes. I am also neurodivergent and I do actually fucking mean the stuff I say at the most face value, logical way possible and you implying that I can’t interpret stuff differently from you is actually incredibly ableist and hurtful. But yes let’s resort to calling a mentally ill autistic 16 year old on the internet scum and making false claims about me. You don’t know my situation and that is such a fucked up, HORRIBLE thing to say, outside of the primary argument. And claiming I’m dishonest when I’m very open about my opinion and what I mean.. and wanting my life ruined because I’m not allowed to disagree with you and have a good faith argument?? Yet I’m the pro censorship advocate in this conversation? You literally hope my life is awful and you don’t even KNOW me, literally all because YOU dislike MY opinion and determine that should be all it takes to completely hope to fuck up my life. And if I don’t agree with you then you berate me and call me a dishonest, horrible, disgusting person who’s pro censorship because I don’t want stuff that stigmatizes my mental illnesses more then it already is out into the world and instead want it to be understood. Think that actually speaks volumes on what type of person you are instead of me. I have not once insulted others for their opinion and I never once said I wanted their life ruined or hope their situation got worse merely from a difference of opinion. There is genuinely something wrong with you, this genuinely makes me sick. I honestly hope you let some kindness and empathy into your heart, and I wish you well, clearly life is not treating you well and I hope you get out of this dark time.
Because of the sudden critique influx I'd like to give my opinion as both an author and someone who has struggled with attempts and suicidal ideation since I was 10 years old.
Personally I think it's a dangerous path to start spearheading this idea that suicide can only be used in a specific, serious, moral, or otherwise deeply just way in fiction. Even in real life suicide does not present in one way. It does not happen for one specific reason.The happiest person you know could be suicidal, the most depressed could be, the most awful morally fucked dude, your cousin Frank who has a wife and kids and corporate job, your neighbor down the street with the big house, even young children can be suicidal. And each of them have their own reasons for feeling that way. Some which you would never even realize were feeling that way. Suicide does not have a symptoms guide.
I just think it's cruel to call suicide of any kind in fiction wrong, as it implies there's a correct and incorrect way to be suicidal in the first place.
I do think some of you have points beyond that though; the warnings should have been in a more obvious spot from the start, and using a character's death to get interaction is not the most well thought out course of action. Though from the very bottom of my heart I don't think Jenny did that with the intention to hurt or profit from suicide, only to grow her game.
??? Why does it say your comment was posted 6 days ago, yet it's near the top?
To the point, people can write whatever they want, however they want. To a not so insigificant number of people, however, this game's use and representation of suicide, alongside the other oddities (namely the review thing), was especially nauseating to experience. I could see if there had only been one or two people in the comments claiming it wasn't written well, but people both suicidal themselves and those who have lost friends/loved ones to suicide have all largely espoused the same concerns and criticisms. Whatever her intentions, the author DID hurt people by not putting more thought, care, and even warnings into the game.
Topics like suicide, especially when the majority of your fanbase is so very obviously young, should absolutely be treated with care and respect. Mental health struggles are stigmatized and misunderstood too much as is to let writers utilize it however their awful plots please. There's not an "incorrect way to be suicidal" but the wrong application in any writing can be both incredibly insulting and upsetting to those who have actually suffered through it as well as furthering people's warped view of what they are going through.
Okay so, I had to literally physically go away and think before I came up with an answer because the leap in logic here is insane.
Yes, actually. There is right and wrong ways to potray mental illness. Shocking, I know. This comment comes off as very tone deaf for someone who seemed to struggle with ideations for a long time. I'm not saying you don't feel that way, I just find it weird that your implying we should let people demonize and streotype stuff we've been trying to get away from for a long time and its actually especially harmful and damaging for you to say that and excuse shitty writing for a game. This is like saying Split is an accurate representation of DID and yes guys! we should let a person with no experience with DID and doesn't have it demonize said illness and actually misconstrude it and use it for shock value, this isn't harmful at ALL to people with DID and letting them get help! you see the issue? Use this with any mental illness and this is actually a very harmful mentality to have. Her behavior only proves this point because all shes done with the suicide and murder endings is laugh at her audience and mock them for being unable to save him. "Better give me 5k reviews or poor, sweet Zilas is gone forever." and use suicide and murder as shock value and a thing to hold over someones head rather then to educate and show how suicide effects people which she fails at miserably. What your failing to realize is that, yes, while this may be entirely possible this happens irl, fiction does not equal reality and fiction is its entirely own thing and implying that it has to represent irl issues you experienced is harmful. Not everyone has the same experience as you and saying this is a realistic potrayal to you boogles my mind.
In conclusion, its actually a lot more harmful to spearhead the idea that mental illness can't be done wrong and let poor writing through the cracks is a very fucking awful thought process as it perpetuates the idea that we shouldn't hold writers accountable for doing poor research and let them get away with continuing to do streotypes we've been trying to get away from for years. While you may not take offense to it, other people do and we can actually differeniate fiction from reality. Not even sure why I'm arguing with a pfpless person on itch tho, you guys never have good points and are probably just Jenny on an alt and will never respond to my counterpoint. Very sad.
I suspect it's the dev just doing damage control at this point, just like removing the ability to downvote. A comment from 7 days ago, and from an account made only a day prior, just shoots to the top of the page. It even already had upvotes with it when it popped up. It's just more transparent manipulation on top of all the rest.
For what it's worth, I agree with your points. Damaging and stereotyped portrayals of mental illness are unfortunately too common in media - horror especially. Really hoped I'd never see it in Otome though...
I fully agree.and thank you, you have backed me up on a lot of points and stuck with me through some of these arguments so make sure to take good care of yourself as well. Very sad Jenny is deciding to go about it in this way, unfortunately.
bro i thought when he proposed to his girlfriend that it was a good ending but i was so wrong... i end up kill--- him instead the way i cried i would had preferred the sui ending😭
Hello so I read the last tweet from Jenny before writing this and since we can’t say what is true i’m writing this review with the softest tone and only talk about the game <3 have a good read !
1) The story in general
In the first place, the story feels rushed, I'm not the best writer but you can tell that we miss a lot of information for exemple starting with how fast the guy gets followers for doing almost nothing (I think maybe make the whole story a week would be better with more action) to the hanging ending . I feel like the whole story is a mix of Needy Girl Overdose ( the fact he wants 1M in a week and he is helped by his partner) and DDLC for its "disturbing" ending. And you know what it's great you take inspiration for your game but the issue is that it’s very similar so the game feel less original. I also feel like the whole game feel like a booktok comment section (probably cause I’m not target audience but I feel like that kind of way to write is gonna age very badly kinda like error 143). Also to finish this first part the relationship between the MC and the guy. The whole time it just feels like the MC controls everything about this little white hair dude it just feels like I'm playing a toxic relationship simulator (talking about the fact that we aren't guiding him for a better streamer career but we are imposing him stuff like "ban her from modding" or even when he have to apologize and the MC literally choose for him and when he say "I don't think it's a great idea" the MC doesn't listen to him and force him). Ofc the mc got some reason to be like this especially with the mod being a creep to him. To my eyes, he has 0 personality. Plus the fact that he is sexualized by everybody in the game is just so sad he kinda deserves better. :(
2)The hanging and homicide ending
So to resume this he decides to kill himself because he got bullied on the internet cause he apparently hates people with cancer (I think it’s a silly reason but someone said it’s about showing cancel culture? I think it was written in not so good way cause I personally feels like the game was making a joke). The whole reason why he did this is very silly and it explains why I think the story is rushed but you know maybe before he was mentally unstable and it was the event that finally broke him. Nope, he killed himself just like that, there is no indication that he is feeling bad, it just happened. The way she just killed him was very disturbing. Suicide is a very serious topic, normally you get signals of those things, this guy is not killing himself like that. It just feels like the ending was here to just shock people and it did, I was shocked because it happened without warning (not talking about trigger), it was so out of place. I don't really get words to describe this scene cause the picture was very graphic kinda like DDLC but when you play it you know what is going to happen here no (now yes if you read the post but it’s kinda hide). Same for the Homicide ending it kinda happened like the hanging ending out of pocket and was very graphic.
After playing for a second time normally you get an interaction with the cat (introduced at the start of the story and then forgotten) he said "yeah I can bring him back if you leave 5,000 rates on itch.io". This whole thing is just crazy to me (about how the story just out of pocket killed the character I know it’s explained by the plot but it was put in a very “awkward” way) the game ask for a good ending if you give good rates... I don’t think it's ok and I feel like the game is using his death and his suicide as a way to get reviews (btw I know he is fictional I’m more talking about the idea of his death I hope my word aren’t confuse)
Ok bye!!XX
go check twitter people are talking about the issue i can't say here
← Return to game
Comments
Log in with itch.io to leave a comment.
Hello! I saw this game few days ago and wanted to play it when I start it it won't let me write my name and username? I tried to open the game in different Browser but it won't work :( I use a phone I hope I can play the game soon tysm!!<3 :3
I'm having the same problem on android
GENUINELY CRIED WTH!!!
when is the full release and will we finally have a good ending :<
Well that was the single most emotionally devastating game I've ever pkayed (made an account just to comment about it cause OH MY GOD)
PLEASE FREE ZILAS WTF
so no matter what you lose? wtf
People weren't kidding,i had no idea what i was expecting
i wasn't prepared to see that
Noooo!! I really wanted to marry him! T_T
it sucks theres not a happy ending :((( good story tho AAAHHH IM GONNA CRYY
Here to help support!
Great game, great art style, but plz free my boy.
pls let me download it i dont want to restart the whole game just to get another ending and i cant even skip :sob:
guys the very first listed content warning is for suicide..................
I mean, unless it wasn't included in the first version, that would be scummy. But I haven't seen anyone claim that
Actually, it was claimed multiple times it wasn’t in the first build.I can attest to it not being added until about a week or so later because enough people complained about it originally if you scroll far enough because it should’ve been a no brainer for it to be there upon release, I was here from about day 1 and I have a log of it being updated in my following notifications. Even with the warning, it still shocked and confused a lot of people, though I understand your point. Here is some people pointing it out:
HELP WTF HAVE I JUST SPENT 5 HOURS DOING 😭😭 TWO BAD ENDINGS, TWO RESTARTS, AND THEN THE JUMPSCARE ENDING??!!
how many reviews so far?
girly that was such a shocker wth , i cannot fathom it, i shall drown in my slumber of sorrows. Hear thee, hear thee.
Guys can someone help im on moblie and its not letting me type my name like my keyboard isn't popping up
(SPOILERS)
(SPOILERS)
(SPOILERS)
(SPOILERS)
(SPOILERS)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLS REVIVE HIM I'LL DO WHATEVER IT TKAES PLSS PLS RTAVOIVE HIM I LOVE HIM SM PLSPSLEPLSPLEA
i really liked this game it was fun
this game is gold lol I live on kick to play this game
lol
I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CUTE INNOCENT GAME HELP ME
i gasped so loud at the end. i dont know if theres any diffrent endings than the one i got but i was in deep shock
that bad ending was a def a jumpscare omg T-T
how do i rate i need good ending
spoiler alert!
so i basically killed him. 😨
im not sure to what i watched my friend stream and i am terriffied of what i have witnessed i would like to say that i heavily dislike this game with all of my passion in my heart for no absloute reason.
"Omg I love him sm, if something happens to him I'm gonna cry!"
*stabs him*
"WHAT THE FLIP MANE"
GIRL WHAT???? OMG WHAT??? JUMP DUCKING SCARE LIKE OMG HE WAS JUST.. AND THE CAT WAS JUST THERE AND OMG.... I CAN'T- I WON'T GO OFF ON A NOTE LIKE THAT!! I REFUSE!!!! REFUSE I SAY!!!
So it was a lie about the third ending? what the fuck i been trying this whole time for this 3rd ending
Hi, I am a lifelong mental healther and I'd rather have a million people with no experience with suicidal ideation make a million shitty/lazy/stupid suicide games than have one person who's been there get scared away from making art about their experiences.
What an awful take. :( There are many games made by people who have actually gone through such experiences, and I've never seen them get hate.
If anyone is looking for one, I highly recommend: i won't finish this game
ETA: Now that I have a moment to sift through some past games, I'd also personally recommend The Longest Walk and Winter in June for other short experiences about the same topics (depression/suicide) and Adventures With Anxiety! for anyone struggling with or curious about anxiety disorders. All hit close to home for me.
Take care of yourselves and please make sure you're in a good headspace if you decide to read/play. 🧡
What a horrible thing to say. Mental health as is, especially depression, is already very demonized and misunderstood. People making a million bad games about negative streotypes about depression will only harm, not help and make it significally harder for them to get any sort of help. People who have these ideations and make these games about their own experiences usually do it in a respectful and carthodic way that does not harm anyone and these games barely get enough attention as is, so you pushing this mentality on other people and displaying it proudly on a creators page is actually very gross. You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner. Shame on you.
bro ddlc literally did the same thing as this game yet i see no one hating on it
hmmmmmm idk no clue maybe because DDLC did it a lot better and accurately wrote Sayoris issues and struggles to be realistic instead of just shoehorning the suicide in? That’s just me tho 😂😂 you do your own thing bro! Have you ever considered that maybe execution is important and doing research on these issues before you write them is a good thing? Learn some critical thinking and understand media literacy and come back to me.
DDLC was the most I've ever been upset by a piece of media as an adult, not because the game has onscreen suicide and self-harm but because after that it goes "they're AIs of shitty moe archetypes and the only reason they're this fucked up is that Monika altered their code to make them less likable, so really who cares". Sayori and Yuri being well-written actually makes this worse, because the twist comes after they were already made relatable. It still baffles me that this game isn't universally detested by the mentally ill.
And yet, that game is meaningful to many people who've experienced serious mental illness. Because people get different things out of art, and are not all offended by the same list of writing decisions. This is a part of critical thinking and media literacy, too.
Good for you that you dislike it, I’m just saying that the difference is one is well written and the other isn’t and that is apart of the reason why people like one and detest the other. That’s also apart of media literacy. I never said you couldn’t like it or that it was an accurate representation of your issues or all our issues as being mentally ill, all I said is that because it had nuance and made the characters likable and throughly explained a lot of plot threads and did a new and interesting story it is way more meaningful and memorable in that way. I’m tired of you guys trying to write this off as art when art has meaning and research and love put into this while this did not. That is the primary difference. Your main points were still bad and this doesn’t prove or deny anything, congratulations for disliking a universally loved game, you are so original and unique.
So I'm not a real crazy person because I have different priorities about art? Very cool of you. Can't wait to tell my psychiatrist that I reliably experience emotions and want to live.
Never said you weren’t. Just said this was a shitty thing to say and if you cared about what people are saying you’d acknowledge that people have different perspectives and points then you do and claiming people don’t understand art because of messy and shitty writing and plot points and treating it like it’s high art is actually just weird. Do not mince my words, I disagree with your point but I never once claimed you weren’t actually mentally ill and trying to throw in the “I like pancakes” “so you must hate waffles” point is petty and unneeded,I never once said anything like that and you saying that shows me you have not entered the conversation with an open mind and civil intentions. If your going to result to undermining my entire point by taking things extremely out of context, I'd rather just not even bother arguing with someone like you.
edit: grammar
Hi, you absolutely did say it to them though. You said, verbatim, "You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner". (You also implied that the creator of the game, which does suck, by the way, don't get me wrong!, can't possibly be mentally ill because THEY are expressing themselves in a way YOU don't like. I don't like it either and I don't know whether that person is mentally ill, but unlike you, I live in a world where I can acknowledge that it's possibly that another mentally ill person might sometimes make stupid art, because of course that can happen.)
So! Considering that original post was very clearly coming from a perspective of caring about other "mental healthers", as it is very insane to imagine that someone saying they don't want to risk accidentally censoring the art of a person who might have mental health issues would mean it for any other reason, the only reasonable assumption is that you're implying that they don't have those issues at all. Or were you trying to say something that made even less sense and was even less relevant? Either way, you've declared that anyone who doesn't have your exact perspective must not care about other people, while brutally attacking anyone who makes art you dislike. This is ridiculous, fundamentally pro-censorship, and overall it's absolutely disgusting. You were trying to be hurtful and you know you were and the least you could do is not be a coward about it, but of course that won't happen, because you don't have a meaningful stance here, and you live life with such intensive cognitive dissonance that you're able to convince yourself that wanting to CENSOR ART THAT YOU PERSONALLY FELT WASN'T VERY GOOD is actually a very good stance that makes the world better. You've convinced yourself that CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow more free to discuss sensitive topics, and that NOT CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow less free. A child could tell you how little sense that makes.
You haven't taken responsibility for any of the awful things you said, you claim to be defending media literacy and critical thinking even though everything about your approach does nothing but further damage and disincentivize those things, your various posts about this consist of you pretty much refuse to engage honestly with a single point being by anyone you're talking to, and you still have the gall to act like it's OTHERS who aren't approaching this debate in good faith and can't be reasonably engaged with? Yeah, no. The game being criticized sucks, but there's no question whatsoever that you are the person here who should be ashamed.
Don't worry, though, I won't try to debate you. This post really isn't even for you, because you've already made it abundantly clear that you're a dishonest, vicious, pearl-clutching reactionary who has never once been willing to actually communicate. I'm just putting it here because this whole exchange left me searingly angry and I want there to be a record of someone refusing to swallow your crap.
*the one and only edit actually
Forgot about the stupid DDLC take you had in another comment. Not here to debate that with scum like you either, but WOW it sure was gross how you responded by basically saying "lol who cares that the game I liked more actually hurt you, because I liked it" and then deliberately implied that they secretly only disliked the game because it's popular, as if it's literally impossible for someone to have a different experience than yours and anyone who did must be lying. And please don't even bother trying to explain how actually when you said that you meant something else. You meant what you said and you know it. Alright, peace. I hope your life is really, really bad and it only ever gets worse.
You’re allowed to disagree with my point but WOW. It hurt you, someone who was not even involved in this exchange, THAT much, to where you have to harass and want someone’s life to be worse because they disagree with you, how am I pro censorship?? I’d argue that’s more pro censorship than my points could ever be and resulting to insulting someone and calling them names instead of having a discussion does not make you look like the superior one in the argument and instead makes you seem a lot worse, you sound extremely childish, immature and you sound like a sad, lonely, miserable person and I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be around you because of the way you act. If your only argument is to verbally beat someone cuz they dare to not have the same opinion as you and get THIS heated about a conversation YOU aren’t even in, I think it shows just how cruel and hateful you are, how am I the reactionary one when your first thought is to harass someone and jump the gun because of a disagreement? This is literally against TOS. I comment on posts to give my perspective and communicate points I’m trying to make and I am actually willing to hear people out, if you look at the conversation I had with someone else in this thread. I am not for censorship, I legitimately just said we shouldn’t condone or support shitty representation of mental health issues because we are a minority as is and putting bad representation of us out there is not going to help us, that is literally the most basic, non-problematic, obvious opinion ever. If that’s pro censorship and I don’t want myself to be negatively represented in the media I consume and how people view my mental illness, then yeah I guess I am pro censorship in your eyes. I am also neurodivergent and I do actually fucking mean the stuff I say at the most face value, logical way possible and you implying that I can’t interpret stuff differently from you is actually incredibly ableist and hurtful. But yes let’s resort to calling a mentally ill autistic 16 year old on the internet scum and making false claims about me. You don’t know my situation and that is such a fucked up, HORRIBLE thing to say, outside of the primary argument. And claiming I’m dishonest when I’m very open about my opinion and what I mean.. and wanting my life ruined because I’m not allowed to disagree with you and have a good faith argument?? Yet I’m the pro censorship advocate in this conversation? You literally hope my life is awful and you don’t even KNOW me, literally all because YOU dislike MY opinion and determine that should be all it takes to completely hope to fuck up my life. And if I don’t agree with you then you berate me and call me a dishonest, horrible, disgusting person who’s pro censorship because I don’t want stuff that stigmatizes my mental illnesses more then it already is out into the world and instead want it to be understood. Think that actually speaks volumes on what type of person you are instead of me. I have not once insulted others for their opinion and I never once said I wanted their life ruined or hope their situation got worse merely from a difference of opinion. There is genuinely something wrong with you, this genuinely makes me sick. I honestly hope you let some kindness and empathy into your heart, and I wish you well, clearly life is not treating you well and I hope you get out of this dark time.
brooooo why you gotta dramabait on itchio for
patiently waiting for the good ending >_<
SPOILERI DEMAND A GOOD ENDING RIGHT NOW
LITTERALLY 😭😭😫
there is no good ending ?
i am going to cry :'(
THE GAME LOOKS SO CUTE AND LOVEING
sadly:( let's just hope we get one😭
we better get this to 5k ratings or now good ending ;-;
I really like the game , It's got beautiful graphics. The story is sad but I really hope I get to see a happy ending ❤️
"Beomhan wth" is all i could think of at the end 🥲
SPOILER
PLS MAKE A GOOD ENDING IM BEGGING UUUUUU
Because of the sudden critique influx I'd like to give my opinion as both an author and someone who has struggled with attempts and suicidal ideation since I was 10 years old.
Personally I think it's a dangerous path to start spearheading this idea that suicide can only be used in a specific, serious, moral, or otherwise deeply just way in fiction. Even in real life suicide does not present in one way. It does not happen for one specific reason.The happiest person you know could be suicidal, the most depressed could be, the most awful morally fucked dude, your cousin Frank who has a wife and kids and corporate job, your neighbor down the street with the big house, even young children can be suicidal. And each of them have their own reasons for feeling that way. Some which you would never even realize were feeling that way. Suicide does not have a symptoms guide.
I just think it's cruel to call suicide of any kind in fiction wrong, as it implies there's a correct and incorrect way to be suicidal in the first place.
I do think some of you have points beyond that though; the warnings should have been in a more obvious spot from the start, and using a character's death to get interaction is not the most well thought out course of action. Though from the very bottom of my heart I don't think Jenny did that with the intention to hurt or profit from suicide, only to grow her game.
Just my two cents.
??? Why does it say your comment was posted 6 days ago, yet it's near the top?
To the point, people can write whatever they want, however they want. To a not so insigificant number of people, however, this game's use and representation of suicide, alongside the other oddities (namely the review thing), was especially nauseating to experience. I could see if there had only been one or two people in the comments claiming it wasn't written well, but people both suicidal themselves and those who have lost friends/loved ones to suicide have all largely espoused the same concerns and criticisms. Whatever her intentions, the author DID hurt people by not putting more thought, care, and even warnings into the game.
Topics like suicide, especially when the majority of your fanbase is so very obviously young, should absolutely be treated with care and respect. Mental health struggles are stigmatized and misunderstood too much as is to let writers utilize it however their awful plots please. There's not an "incorrect way to be suicidal" but the wrong application in any writing can be both incredibly insulting and upsetting to those who have actually suffered through it as well as furthering people's warped view of what they are going through.
Okay so, I had to literally physically go away and think before I came up with an answer because the leap in logic here is insane.
Yes, actually. There is right and wrong ways to potray mental illness. Shocking, I know. This comment comes off as very tone deaf for someone who seemed to struggle with ideations for a long time. I'm not saying you don't feel that way, I just find it weird that your implying we should let people demonize and streotype stuff we've been trying to get away from for a long time and its actually especially harmful and damaging for you to say that and excuse shitty writing for a game. This is like saying Split is an accurate representation of DID and yes guys! we should let a person with no experience with DID and doesn't have it demonize said illness and actually misconstrude it and use it for shock value, this isn't harmful at ALL to people with DID and letting them get help! you see the issue? Use this with any mental illness and this is actually a very harmful mentality to have. Her behavior only proves this point because all shes done with the suicide and murder endings is laugh at her audience and mock them for being unable to save him. "Better give me 5k reviews or poor, sweet Zilas is gone forever." and use suicide and murder as shock value and a thing to hold over someones head rather then to educate and show how suicide effects people which she fails at miserably. What your failing to realize is that, yes, while this may be entirely possible this happens irl, fiction does not equal reality and fiction is its entirely own thing and implying that it has to represent irl issues you experienced is harmful. Not everyone has the same experience as you and saying this is a realistic potrayal to you boogles my mind.
In conclusion, its actually a lot more harmful to spearhead the idea that mental illness can't be done wrong and let poor writing through the cracks is a very fucking awful thought process as it perpetuates the idea that we shouldn't hold writers accountable for doing poor research and let them get away with continuing to do streotypes we've been trying to get away from for years. While you may not take offense to it, other people do and we can actually differeniate fiction from reality. Not even sure why I'm arguing with a pfpless person on itch tho, you guys never have good points and are probably just Jenny on an alt and will never respond to my counterpoint. Very sad.
I suspect it's the dev just doing damage control at this point, just like removing the ability to downvote. A comment from 7 days ago, and from an account made only a day prior, just shoots to the top of the page. It even already had upvotes with it when it popped up. It's just more transparent manipulation on top of all the rest.
For what it's worth, I agree with your points. Damaging and stereotyped portrayals of mental illness are unfortunately too common in media - horror especially. Really hoped I'd never see it in Otome though...
Hope you're doing well.
I fully agree.and thank you, you have backed me up on a lot of points and stuck with me through some of these arguments so make sure to take good care of yourself as well. Very sad Jenny is deciding to go about it in this way, unfortunately.
bro i thought when he proposed to his girlfriend that it was a good ending but i was so wrong... i end up kill--- him instead the way i cried i would had preferred the sui ending😭
I just wanted to hold the cute streamer boy, this is so unfair (/j)
Hello so I read the last tweet from Jenny before writing this and since we can’t say what is true i’m writing this review with the softest tone and only talk about the game <3 have a good read !
1) The story in general
In the first place, the story feels rushed, I'm not the best writer but you can tell that we miss a lot of information for exemple starting with how fast the guy gets followers for doing almost nothing (I think maybe make the whole story a week would be better with more action) to the hanging ending . I feel like the whole story is a mix of Needy Girl Overdose ( the fact he wants 1M in a week and he is helped by his partner) and DDLC for its "disturbing" ending. And you know what it's great you take inspiration for your game but the issue is that it’s very similar so the game feel less original. I also feel like the whole game feel like a booktok comment section (probably cause I’m not target audience but I feel like that kind of way to write is gonna age very badly kinda like error 143). Also to finish this first part the relationship between the MC and the guy. The whole time it just feels like the MC controls everything about this little white hair dude it just feels like I'm playing a toxic relationship simulator (talking about the fact that we aren't guiding him for a better streamer career but we are imposing him stuff like "ban her from modding" or even when he have to apologize and the MC literally choose for him and when he say "I don't think it's a great idea" the MC doesn't listen to him and force him). Ofc the mc got some reason to be like this especially with the mod being a creep to him. To my eyes, he has 0 personality. Plus the fact that he is sexualized by everybody in the game is just so sad he kinda deserves better. :(
2)The hanging and homicide ending
So to resume this he decides to kill himself because he got bullied on the internet cause he apparently hates people with cancer (I think it’s a silly reason but someone said it’s about showing cancel culture? I think it was written in not so good way cause I personally feels like the game was making a joke). The whole reason why he did this is very silly and it explains why I think the story is rushed but you know maybe before he was mentally unstable and it was the event that finally broke him. Nope, he killed himself just like that, there is no indication that he is feeling bad, it just happened. The way she just killed him was very disturbing. Suicide is a very serious topic, normally you get signals of those things, this guy is not killing himself like that. It just feels like the ending was here to just shock people and it did, I was shocked because it happened without warning (not talking about trigger), it was so out of place. I don't really get words to describe this scene cause the picture was very graphic kinda like DDLC but when you play it you know what is going to happen here no (now yes if you read the post but it’s kinda hide). Same for the Homicide ending it kinda happened like the hanging ending out of pocket and was very graphic.
After playing for a second time normally you get an interaction with the cat (introduced at the start of the story and then forgotten) he said "yeah I can bring him back if you leave 5,000 rates on itch.io". This whole thing is just crazy to me (about how the story just out of pocket killed the character I know it’s explained by the plot but it was put in a very “awkward” way) the game ask for a good ending if you give good rates... I don’t think it's ok and I feel like the game is using his death and his suicide as a way to get reviews (btw I know he is fictional I’m more talking about the idea of his death I hope my word aren’t confuse)
Ok bye!!XX
go check twitter people are talking about the issue i can't say here
why delete my comment >:(
edit: the creator is deleting the negative comments because they don't want criticism????