spoiler fr the game is great itself but the suicide ending is just straight up random i mean i dont think anyone would kill themselves just because they got a little hate but this depends on how a person handles criticism,the writing is nice and the second ending is kinda confusing but the warnings should have been put earlier in the game because not everyone looks at the warnings,either way the game is great but not reccomended for people who are sensitive
Idc if you scroll or read, I just want to get something off my chest.
I've been a supporter of Jenny's work. So, I went into this game with a bias that it was going to be really good due to past experiences with Jenny's games.
However, as I read the comments criticize how terribly written this game is, the more I realize how right they are.
I wanted to defend Jenny at first, and thought those commenters were just exaggerating it. (No offense to those people.)
But they're right. This game basically lures you in with the cute themes and an attractive protagonist and then crushes all of that right in front of you in just a few frames. As if that's not enough, Jenny guilt trips you with the 'If this game doesn't get XYZ number of ratings, you can kiss your sweet Zilas goodbye' move. (Which I didn't even realize she did until I researched a little more because I stopped playing after I got the suicide ending.)
Digging deeper, I found comments that talked about how badly executed the mental health representation was. (That's an entirely new can of worms that I'm not gonna get into. This comment is already super long.)
The aftermath of all of this has made me feel ignorant and stupid. Like I've been purposefully looking at this game through rose-tinted glasses.
It's essentially when you find out your favorite artist/celebrity is actually a terrible person and you feel bad for not realizing it sooner.
And I can only hope that Jenny learns from this and grow into a better person.
But the fact that she was deleting comments that were criticizing the game tells me that's not gonna happen.
I’m not sure if you want comments but I’m not going to pity you, but agree with what you’re saying. I also looked up to Jenny and have followed her for about 2 years and I thought this was going to be one of those things I would like, knowing I like both dating and horror games, and even with the warnings (though hidden) I still played because I loved her projects or stuff she helped with. Actually, I had a lot of negative feelings about this game before anyone commented because I played pretty early on and I thought it was just me who felt like it was sloppily and clumsily done and didn’t say anything due to fear and just feeling terrible for even thinking about criticizing my favorite creator and thinking I had my rose tinted glasses on as well, a lot like you. I just feel very disappointed? A lot of my criticism comes from a place of passion as a person with depression and maybe that’s why I felt so awful after playing and how it was portrayed. I didn’t feel like Jenny listened to me or her audience by deleting our criticism when a lot of us actually came from places of good faith because we all hope she makes good projects and look forward to her releases, which is maybe why I feel pretty bitter about this whole thing. Thanks for sharing how you felt and I relate a lot to what you experienced as someone who also looked up to her. But with game devs and idols you never really know who they are or what they are like outside of their projects.
I'm glad to know that i'm not alone here, it makes me feel better.I read a lot of your comments and replies while researching and you inspired me to write this post
I love horror visual novels, and play them quite frequently, so I was excited knowing one of my favorite developers made one.
Like you, I feel disappointed because, if executed correctly, this could be a really good game.
I know that I have no way of knowing who Jenny is outside of her works but still, I have this guility feeling of wishing I had known.
I agree with you. That was my experience and this was my first exposure to her work.
I went in blind before this page was revamped and got the unalive ending. It was such a shock because of how abruptly the tone changed. There was lack of foreshadowing as well.
I can handle horror but I think the warnings should’ve been more visible so others don’t get the genre of game wrong. Otherwise people with delicate sensibilities towards certain topics will get exposed them in the game anyway in a much more shocking manner which is a worse surprise.
I don’t think I’ll trust this creator’s games in the future because of how this was handled.
I agree with the fact that content warnings should be more obvious than just a hidden section in the description
I play a LOT of visual novels that have sensitive topics, and personally it doesn't bother me. But I see how it might affect someone who has experienced it IRL.
Especially with this game where it just throws it in your face all of a sudden
I've played a few VNs where you agree that you are aware of the content warnings contained before even playing the game and I think Jenny should have at least done that much.
To preface, I played this a couple weeks ago at the recommendation of a "friend" - one I'm not particularly happy with at the moment. This was before the content warnings were added to the game and I didn't even think to look for that stupid hidden dropdown in the description. The game looked cute and my "friend" didn't say anything so... After sitting on it a few weeks to avoid any knee-jerk feelings, I decided to make an account to actually post a review.
1) The Death Note references(???) Why? Why make such an important part of your endings, not only so subtle and quickly moved past that most didn't catch it, but based on an entirerly different piece of media created by a different artist that a large part of your players hasn't seen? I only know from reading some of the comments that they were even there and what they meant.
2) If the author was trying to impart that streamers are people too and the harm of parasocial relationships - points which were honestly coming across rather well for the majority of the game - then why were all the horror elements and weird references hamfisted in?
Why was the first ending most got just a *very sudden* disgusting CG of Zilas hanging himself before the game just ends?
There are so many other ways it could've been done if the writer was determined to go that route. Zilas could've disappeared, it could've ended with a goodbye note or a phone call - hell, even just the MC finding blood splattered around his empty room. The only reason to end it with a very visual hanging was to shock and disturb the player. THIS is what people have a problem with. No one wants to see their struggles, their awful ideations, what they've lost friends or families or lovers to used as some disgusting, rug-pulling, contrived plot twist. A ploy just to rake in undeserved ratings for a rushed game that was initially presented as just another cute romance VN, until the developer received enough criticism that she was forced to show some reluctant concern to her players. Just enough to add a condescending warning to the beginning of the game, mind, not actually attempt to adjust the problematic plot or listen to any other feedback.
Whatever message the writer was going for got muddied and lost among all the weird and unnecessary twists she decided to add. To anyone who doesn't get the references or play more than once ( I've lost any and all interest at this point) it just looks like Zilas suddenly hung himself after one spike of bad publicity, with insufficient buildup or warning signs. If it was really the cat that did it, then what was the point of any of Zilas's struggles with streaming and having to handle streamer drama and criticism in the first place? It all just falls apart at the end.
3) To this writer and any others: if you don't have first-hand experience or haven't done copious amounts of research on a mental illness or any other sensitive subject matter... consider just not making it part of your story? Because not only will you likely deeply hurt and upset a portion of your playerbase who have had the misfortune of being affected by it personally, you also risk negative criticism (in case the former doesn't concern you.)
Now that I know that her players' mental health isn't even on her list of concerns until it directly impacts her, I won't be touching anything by this developer again. It should never have taken two months after release to add content warnings to the game.
I think the reason the ending is so abrupt and messed up is because this is just a demo of sorts and they're trying to appeal to us to support so they can finish the project as stated by the cat in an ending. I however wholly agree with you that it was a really messed up and graphic way to do it. I feel gutted.
I think what most of us are trying to say is that we aren’t so much so upset at Jenny for attempting something like this, it’s pretty unique and a good concept on paper, we just wish if suicide was done it shouldn’t be for shock value and I think she should’ve used this for a full project and not a game jam so she could translate her ideas better and have better pacing. I don’t think you should need a demo to feature suicide just to boast ratings and moral for your game, that sounds like a lame excuse to get people to support you and kinda manipulative as others have pointed out.I understand the grander scheme of the story she was trying to put out and what op was trying to say is that this is a good idea but it had very awful execution + it needed more time in the oven and a lot of this stuff should’ve stayed in development or very well been done better and in a longer format so you can really understand what’s really going on. I think Jenny limited herself to a game jam and that was kinda the root of the issue, not saying it’s a justification for the misuse of suicide but I think that’s where a lot of these issues could’ve been avoided and a lot more research as to not stigmatize her audiences trauma and experiences for likes and reviews. Especially since I don’t even think said creator struggles with these ideations themselves, or has never outright confirmed as such. Not that it would make it any better.
I'd agree if she hadn't asked for such a high number of ratings. Her other game ERROR143 only has 2,370 ratings at the time of this comment. There's currently no Otome game on itch.io with 5000 ratings, including games like Our Life: Beginnings & Always or Blooming Panic, games which honestly blow this one well out of the water. It just comes across as a scammy way to boost her way to the top.
Her request is also hurting her fans. Many are making alt accounts to post false ratings and some of those have gotten banned. For anyone reading this: itch.io will ban all of your accounts and IP ban you if they catch you doing this.
this.^^^ I think she stated it was supposed to be impossible or almost impossible, which is weird because that’s just blatant misinformation and dangling a piece of cheese over a mouse, but she could’ve benefitted from there being more time to develop this project and just being straight up with the “there is no happy endings thing” because it feels like false advertising with the whole impossible reviews thing and secret third ending which just blatantly untrue because there is only two, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This project is honestly just a mess, the games you suggested are so much better. Sorry for not originally stating that, I do actually wholeheartedly agree this game was scammy from the beginning and just think it’s a very interesting idea horribly executed.
Hello! I saw this game few days ago and wanted to play it when I start it it won't let me write my name and username? I tried to open the game in different Browser but it won't work :( I use a phone I hope I can play the game soon tysm!!<3 :3
Actually, it was claimed multiple times it wasn’t in the first build.I can attest to it not being added until about a week or so later because enough people complained about it originally if you scroll far enough because it should’ve been a no brainer for it to be there upon release, I was here from about day 1 and I have a log of it being updated in my following notifications. Even with the warning, it still shocked and confused a lot of people, though I understand your point. Here is some people pointing it out:
im not sure to what i watched my friend stream and i am terriffied of what i have witnessed i would like to say that i heavily dislike this game with all of my passion in my heart for no absloute reason.
GIRL WHAT???? OMG WHAT??? JUMP DUCKING SCARE LIKE OMG HE WAS JUST.. AND THE CAT WAS JUST THERE AND OMG.... I CAN'T- I WON'T GO OFF ON A NOTE LIKE THAT!! I REFUSE!!!! REFUSE I SAY!!!
Hi, I am a lifelong mental healther and I'd rather have a million people with no experience with suicidal ideation make a million shitty/lazy/stupid suicide games than have one person who's been there get scared away from making art about their experiences.
ETA: Now that I have a moment to sift through some past games, I'd also personally recommend The Longest Walk and Winter in June for other short experiences about the same topics (depression/suicide) and Adventures With Anxiety! for anyone struggling with or curious about anxiety disorders. All hit close to home for me.
Take care of yourselves and please make sure you're in a good headspace if you decide to read/play. 🧡
What a horrible thing to say. Mental health as is, especially depression, is already very demonized and misunderstood. People making a million bad games about negative streotypes about depression will only harm, not help and make it significally harder for them to get any sort of help. People who have these ideations and make these games about their own experiences usually do it in a respectful and carthodic way that does not harm anyone and these games barely get enough attention as is, so you pushing this mentality on other people and displaying it proudly on a creators page is actually very gross. You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner. Shame on you.
hmmmmmm idk no clue maybe because DDLC did it a lot better and accurately wrote Sayoris issues and struggles to be realistic instead of just shoehorning the suicide in? That’s just me tho 😂😂 you do your own thing bro! Have you ever considered that maybe execution is important and doing research on these issues before you write them is a good thing? Learn some critical thinking and understand media literacy and come back to me.
DDLC was the most I've ever been upset by a piece of media as an adult, not because the game has onscreen suicide and self-harm but because after that it goes "they're AIs of shitty moe archetypes and the only reason they're this fucked up is that Monika altered their code to make them less likable, so really who cares". Sayori and Yuri being well-written actually makes this worse, because the twist comes after they were already made relatable. It still baffles me that this game isn't universally detested by the mentally ill.
And yet, that game is meaningful to many people who've experienced serious mental illness. Because people get different things out of art, and are not all offended by the same list of writing decisions. This is a part of critical thinking and media literacy, too.
Good for you that you dislike it, I’m just saying that the difference is one is well written and the other isn’t and that is apart of the reason why people like one and detest the other. That’s also apart of media literacy. I never said you couldn’t like it or that it was an accurate representation of your issues or all our issues as being mentally ill, all I said is that because it had nuance and made the characters likable and throughly explained a lot of plot threads and did a new and interesting story it is way more meaningful and memorable in that way. I’m tired of you guys trying to write this off as art when art has meaning and research and love put into this while this did not. That is the primary difference. Your main points were still bad and this doesn’t prove or deny anything, congratulations for disliking a universally loved game, you are so original and unique.
So I'm not a real crazy person because I have different priorities about art? Very cool of you. Can't wait to tell my psychiatrist that I reliably experience emotions and want to live.
Never said you weren’t. Just said this was a shitty thing to say and if you cared about what people are saying you’d acknowledge that people have different perspectives and points then you do and claiming people don’t understand art because of messy and shitty writing and plot points and treating it like it’s high art is actually just weird. Do not mince my words, I disagree with your point but I never once claimed you weren’t actually mentally ill and trying to throw in the “I like pancakes” “so you must hate waffles” point is petty and unneeded,I never once said anything like that and you saying that shows me you have not entered the conversation with an open mind and civil intentions. If your going to result to undermining my entire point by taking things extremely out of context, I'd rather just not even bother arguing with someone like you.
Hi, you absolutely did say it to them though. You said, verbatim, "You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner". (You also implied that the creator of the game, which does suck, by the way, don't get me wrong!, can't possibly be mentally ill because THEY are expressing themselves in a way YOU don't like. I don't like it either and I don't know whether that person is mentally ill, but unlike you, I live in a world where I can acknowledge that it's possibly that another mentally ill person might sometimes make stupid art, because of course that can happen.)
So! Considering that original post was very clearly coming from a perspective of caring about other "mental healthers", as it is very insane to imagine that someone saying they don't want to risk accidentally censoring the art of a person who might have mental health issues would mean it for any other reason, the only reasonable assumption is that you're implying that they don't have those issues at all. Or were you trying to say something that made even less sense and was even less relevant? Either way, you've declared that anyone who doesn't have your exact perspective must not care about other people, while brutally attacking anyone who makes art you dislike. This is ridiculous, fundamentally pro-censorship, and overall it's absolutely disgusting. You were trying to be hurtful and you know you were and the least you could do is not be a coward about it, but of course that won't happen, because you don't have a meaningful stance here, and you live life with such intensive cognitive dissonance that you're able to convince yourself that wanting to CENSOR ART THAT YOU PERSONALLY FELT WASN'T VERY GOOD is actually a very good stance that makes the world better. You've convinced yourself that CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow more free to discuss sensitive topics, and that NOT CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow less free. A child could tell you how little sense that makes.
You haven't taken responsibility for any of the awful things you said, you claim to be defending media literacy and critical thinking even though everything about your approach does nothing but further damage and disincentivize those things, your various posts about this consist of you pretty much refuse to engage honestly with a single point being by anyone you're talking to, and you still have the gall to act like it's OTHERS who aren't approaching this debate in good faith and can't be reasonably engaged with? Yeah, no. The game being criticized sucks, but there's no question whatsoever that you are the person here who should be ashamed.
Don't worry, though, I won't try to debate you. This post really isn't even for you, because you've already made it abundantly clear that you're a dishonest, vicious, pearl-clutching reactionary who has never once been willing to actually communicate. I'm just putting it here because this whole exchange left me searingly angry and I want there to be a record of someone refusing to swallow your crap.
*the one and only edit actually Forgot about the stupid DDLC take you had in another comment. Not here to debate that with scum like you either, but WOW it sure was gross how you responded by basically saying "lol who cares that the game I liked more actually hurt you, because I liked it" and then deliberately implied that they secretly only disliked the game because it's popular, as if it's literally impossible for someone to have a different experience than yours and anyone who did must be lying. And please don't even bother trying to explain how actually when you said that you meant something else. You meant what you said and you know it. Alright, peace. I hope your life is really, really bad and it only ever gets worse.
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spoiler frthe game is great itself but the suicide ending is just straight up random i mean i dont think anyone would kill themselves just because they got a little hate but this depends on how a person handles criticism,the writing is nice and the second ending is kinda confusing but the warnings should have been put earlier in the game because not everyone looks at the warnings,either way the game is great but not reccomended for people who are sensitive!!! VENT POST !!! PLEASE DO NOT PITY ME !!!
Idc if you scroll or read, I just want to get something off my chest.
I've been a supporter of Jenny's work. So, I went into this game with a bias that it was going to be really good due to past experiences with Jenny's games.
However, as I read the comments criticize how terribly written this game is, the more I realize how right they are.
I wanted to defend Jenny at first, and thought those commenters were just exaggerating it. (No offense to those people.)
But they're right. This game basically lures you in with the cute themes and an attractive protagonist and then crushes all of that right in front of you in just a few frames. As if that's not enough, Jenny guilt trips you with the 'If this game doesn't get XYZ number of ratings, you can kiss your sweet Zilas goodbye' move. (Which I didn't even realize she did until I researched a little more because I stopped playing after I got the suicide ending.)
Digging deeper, I found comments that talked about how badly executed the mental health representation was. (That's an entirely new can of worms that I'm not gonna get into. This comment is already super long.)
The aftermath of all of this has made me feel ignorant and stupid. Like I've been purposefully looking at this game through rose-tinted glasses.
It's essentially when you find out your favorite artist/celebrity is actually a terrible person and you feel bad for not realizing it sooner.
And I can only hope that Jenny learns from this and grow into a better person.
But the fact that she was deleting comments that were criticizing the game tells me that's not gonna happen.
I’m not sure if you want comments but I’m not going to pity you, but agree with what you’re saying. I also looked up to Jenny and have followed her for about 2 years and I thought this was going to be one of those things I would like, knowing I like both dating and horror games, and even with the warnings (though hidden) I still played because I loved her projects or stuff she helped with. Actually, I had a lot of negative feelings about this game before anyone commented because I played pretty early on and I thought it was just me who felt like it was sloppily and clumsily done and didn’t say anything due to fear and just feeling terrible for even thinking about criticizing my favorite creator and thinking I had my rose tinted glasses on as well, a lot like you. I just feel very disappointed? A lot of my criticism comes from a place of passion as a person with depression and maybe that’s why I felt so awful after playing and how it was portrayed. I didn’t feel like Jenny listened to me or her audience by deleting our criticism when a lot of us actually came from places of good faith because we all hope she makes good projects and look forward to her releases, which is maybe why I feel pretty bitter about this whole thing. Thanks for sharing how you felt and I relate a lot to what you experienced as someone who also looked up to her. But with game devs and idols you never really know who they are or what they are like outside of their projects.
I'm glad to know that i'm not alone here, it makes me feel better.I read a lot of your comments and replies while researching and you inspired me to write this post
I love horror visual novels, and play them quite frequently, so I was excited knowing one of my favorite developers made one.
Like you, I feel disappointed because, if executed correctly, this could be a really good game.
I know that I have no way of knowing who Jenny is outside of her works but still, I have this guility feeling of wishing I had known.
I agree with you. That was my experience and this was my first exposure to her work.
I went in blind before this page was revamped and got the unalive ending. It was such a shock because of how abruptly the tone changed. There was lack of foreshadowing as well.
I can handle horror but I think the warnings should’ve been more visible so others don’t get the genre of game wrong. Otherwise people with delicate sensibilities towards certain topics will get exposed them in the game anyway in a much more shocking manner which is a worse surprise.
I don’t think I’ll trust this creator’s games in the future because of how this was handled.
I agree with the fact that content warnings should be more obvious than just a hidden section in the description
I play a LOT of visual novels that have sensitive topics, and personally it doesn't bother me. But I see how it might affect someone who has experienced it IRL.
Especially with this game where it just throws it in your face all of a sudden
I've played a few VNs where you agree that you are aware of the content warnings contained before even playing the game and I think Jenny should have at least done that much.
HOW DO YOU GO BACK IN YOUR PROGRESS I'VE HAD TO RESTART LIKE 5 TIMES TODAY AND I WAS AT DAY 2 PLS I DONT WANNA KEEP PRESSING NEW GAME
I thought I managed to save him...
I'M SOBBING OMG NOOOO GOD
To preface, I played this a couple weeks ago at the recommendation of a "friend" - one I'm not particularly happy with at the moment. This was before the content warnings were added to the game and I didn't even think to look for that stupid hidden dropdown in the description. The game looked cute and my "friend" didn't say anything so... After sitting on it a few weeks to avoid any knee-jerk feelings, I decided to make an account to actually post a review.
1) The Death Note references(???) Why? Why make such an important part of your endings, not only so subtle and quickly moved past that most didn't catch it, but based on an entirerly different piece of media created by a different artist that a large part of your players hasn't seen? I only know from reading some of the comments that they were even there and what they meant.
2) If the author was trying to impart that streamers are people too and the harm of parasocial relationships - points which were honestly coming across rather well for the majority of the game - then why were all the horror elements and weird references hamfisted in?
Why was the first ending most got just a *very sudden* disgusting CG of Zilas hanging himself before the game just ends?
There are so many other ways it could've been done if the writer was determined to go that route. Zilas could've disappeared, it could've ended with a goodbye note or a phone call - hell, even just the MC finding blood splattered around his empty room. The only reason to end it with a very visual hanging was to shock and disturb the player. THIS is what people have a problem with. No one wants to see their struggles, their awful ideations, what they've lost friends or families or lovers to used as some disgusting, rug-pulling, contrived plot twist. A ploy just to rake in undeserved ratings for a rushed game that was initially presented as just another cute romance VN, until the developer received enough criticism that she was forced to show some reluctant concern to her players. Just enough to add a condescending warning to the beginning of the game, mind, not actually attempt to adjust the problematic plot or listen to any other feedback.
Whatever message the writer was going for got muddied and lost among all the weird and unnecessary twists she decided to add. To anyone who doesn't get the references or play more than once ( I've lost any and all interest at this point) it just looks like Zilas suddenly hung himself after one spike of bad publicity, with insufficient buildup or warning signs. If it was really the cat that did it, then what was the point of any of Zilas's struggles with streaming and having to handle streamer drama and criticism in the first place? It all just falls apart at the end.
3) To this writer and any others: if you don't have first-hand experience or haven't done copious amounts of research on a mental illness or any other sensitive subject matter... consider just not making it part of your story? Because not only will you likely deeply hurt and upset a portion of your playerbase who have had the misfortune of being affected by it personally, you also risk negative criticism (in case the former doesn't concern you.)
Now that I know that her players' mental health isn't even on her list of concerns until it directly impacts her, I won't be touching anything by this developer again. It should never have taken two months after release to add content warnings to the game.
I think the reason the ending is so abrupt and messed up is because this is just a demo of sorts and they're trying to appeal to us to support so they can finish the project as stated by the cat in an ending. I however wholly agree with you that it was a really messed up and graphic way to do it. I feel gutted.
I think what most of us are trying to say is that we aren’t so much so upset at Jenny for attempting something like this, it’s pretty unique and a good concept on paper, we just wish if suicide was done it shouldn’t be for shock value and I think she should’ve used this for a full project and not a game jam so she could translate her ideas better and have better pacing. I don’t think you should need a demo to feature suicide just to boast ratings and moral for your game, that sounds like a lame excuse to get people to support you and kinda manipulative as others have pointed out.I understand the grander scheme of the story she was trying to put out and what op was trying to say is that this is a good idea but it had very awful execution + it needed more time in the oven and a lot of this stuff should’ve stayed in development or very well been done better and in a longer format so you can really understand what’s really going on. I think Jenny limited herself to a game jam and that was kinda the root of the issue, not saying it’s a justification for the misuse of suicide but I think that’s where a lot of these issues could’ve been avoided and a lot more research as to not stigmatize her audiences trauma and experiences for likes and reviews. Especially since I don’t even think said creator struggles with these ideations themselves, or has never outright confirmed as such. Not that it would make it any better.
I'd agree if she hadn't asked for such a high number of ratings. Her other game ERROR143 only has 2,370 ratings at the time of this comment. There's currently no Otome game on itch.io with 5000 ratings, including games like Our Life: Beginnings & Always or Blooming Panic, games which honestly blow this one well out of the water. It just comes across as a scammy way to boost her way to the top.
Her request is also hurting her fans. Many are making alt accounts to post false ratings and some of those have gotten banned. For anyone reading this: itch.io will ban all of your accounts and IP ban you if they catch you doing this.
this.^^^ I think she stated it was supposed to be impossible or almost impossible, which is weird because that’s just blatant misinformation and dangling a piece of cheese over a mouse, but she could’ve benefitted from there being more time to develop this project and just being straight up with the “there is no happy endings thing” because it feels like false advertising with the whole impossible reviews thing and secret third ending which just blatantly untrue because there is only two, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This project is honestly just a mess, the games you suggested are so much better. Sorry for not originally stating that, I do actually wholeheartedly agree this game was scammy from the beginning and just think it’s a very interesting idea horribly executed.
HOW DO YOU PAUSE THE GAME GUYS
click on settings
WHAT DOES THE BUTTON LOOK LIKE
PLS ITS A COG ON THE TOP RIGHT OMG
NO IK THAT BUT LIKE THE PAUSE BUTTON I MEAN IM SORRY
OHH WAIT AM I DUMB IS THE PAUSE BUTTON LIKE JUST CLICK ON SETTINGS AND IT WILL LIKE AUTOMATICALLY PAUSE AND STAY ON SETTINGS TILL U COME BACK???
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Can u adjust calling section,sr for my english.I can read it quickly like the way zil call.Thank for read my comt, have a gud day
okay so
LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF PLAYING THIS GAME BUT opinion text was goin too fast and.... damn that endings, i LOVE this game
he's so cute but the ending TT-TT
Hello! I saw this game few days ago and wanted to play it when I start it it won't let me write my name and username? I tried to open the game in different Browser but it won't work :( I use a phone I hope I can play the game soon tysm!!<3 :3
I'm having the same problem on android
GENUINELY CRIED WTH!!!
when is the full release and will we finally have a good ending :<
Well that was the single most emotionally devastating game I've ever pkayed (made an account just to comment about it cause OH MY GOD)
PLEASE FREE ZILAS WTF
so no matter what you lose? wtf
People weren't kidding,i had no idea what i was expecting
i wasn't prepared to see that
Noooo!! I really wanted to marry him! T_T
it sucks theres not a happy ending :((( good story tho AAAHHH IM GONNA CRYY
Here to help support!
Great game, great art style, but plz free my boy.
pls let me download it i dont want to restart the whole game just to get another ending and i cant even skip :sob:
guys the very first listed content warning is for suicide..................
I mean, unless it wasn't included in the first version, that would be scummy. But I haven't seen anyone claim that
Actually, it was claimed multiple times it wasn’t in the first build.I can attest to it not being added until about a week or so later because enough people complained about it originally if you scroll far enough because it should’ve been a no brainer for it to be there upon release, I was here from about day 1 and I have a log of it being updated in my following notifications. Even with the warning, it still shocked and confused a lot of people, though I understand your point. Here is some people pointing it out:
HELP WTF HAVE I JUST SPENT 5 HOURS DOING 😭😭 TWO BAD ENDINGS, TWO RESTARTS, AND THEN THE JUMPSCARE ENDING??!!
how many reviews so far?
girly that was such a shocker wth , i cannot fathom it, i shall drown in my slumber of sorrows. Hear thee, hear thee.
Guys can someone help im on moblie and its not letting me type my name like my keyboard isn't popping up
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PLS REVIVE HIM I'LL DO WHATEVER IT TKAES PLSS PLS RTAVOIVE HIM I LOVE HIM SM PLSPSLEPLSPLEA
i really liked this game it was fun
this game is gold lol I live on kick to play this game
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I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CUTE INNOCENT GAME HELP ME
i gasped so loud at the end. i dont know if theres any diffrent endings than the one i got but i was in deep shock
that bad ending was a def a jumpscare omg T-T
how do i rate i need good ending
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so i basically killed him. 😨
im not sure to what i watched my friend stream and i am terriffied of what i have witnessed i would like to say that i heavily dislike this game with all of my passion in my heart for no absloute reason.
"Omg I love him sm, if something happens to him I'm gonna cry!"
*stabs him*
"WHAT THE FLIP MANE"
GIRL WHAT???? OMG WHAT??? JUMP DUCKING SCARE LIKE OMG HE WAS JUST.. AND THE CAT WAS JUST THERE AND OMG.... I CAN'T- I WON'T GO OFF ON A NOTE LIKE THAT!! I REFUSE!!!! REFUSE I SAY!!!
So it was a lie about the third ending? what the fuck i been trying this whole time for this 3rd ending
Hi, I am a lifelong mental healther and I'd rather have a million people with no experience with suicidal ideation make a million shitty/lazy/stupid suicide games than have one person who's been there get scared away from making art about their experiences.
What an awful take. :( There are many games made by people who have actually gone through such experiences, and I've never seen them get hate.
If anyone is looking for one, I highly recommend: i won't finish this game
ETA: Now that I have a moment to sift through some past games, I'd also personally recommend The Longest Walk and Winter in June for other short experiences about the same topics (depression/suicide) and Adventures With Anxiety! for anyone struggling with or curious about anxiety disorders. All hit close to home for me.
Take care of yourselves and please make sure you're in a good headspace if you decide to read/play. 🧡
What a horrible thing to say. Mental health as is, especially depression, is already very demonized and misunderstood. People making a million bad games about negative streotypes about depression will only harm, not help and make it significally harder for them to get any sort of help. People who have these ideations and make these games about their own experiences usually do it in a respectful and carthodic way that does not harm anyone and these games barely get enough attention as is, so you pushing this mentality on other people and displaying it proudly on a creators page is actually very gross. You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner. Shame on you.
bro ddlc literally did the same thing as this game yet i see no one hating on it
hmmmmmm idk no clue maybe because DDLC did it a lot better and accurately wrote Sayoris issues and struggles to be realistic instead of just shoehorning the suicide in? That’s just me tho 😂😂 you do your own thing bro! Have you ever considered that maybe execution is important and doing research on these issues before you write them is a good thing? Learn some critical thinking and understand media literacy and come back to me.
DDLC was the most I've ever been upset by a piece of media as an adult, not because the game has onscreen suicide and self-harm but because after that it goes "they're AIs of shitty moe archetypes and the only reason they're this fucked up is that Monika altered their code to make them less likable, so really who cares". Sayori and Yuri being well-written actually makes this worse, because the twist comes after they were already made relatable. It still baffles me that this game isn't universally detested by the mentally ill.
And yet, that game is meaningful to many people who've experienced serious mental illness. Because people get different things out of art, and are not all offended by the same list of writing decisions. This is a part of critical thinking and media literacy, too.
Good for you that you dislike it, I’m just saying that the difference is one is well written and the other isn’t and that is apart of the reason why people like one and detest the other. That’s also apart of media literacy. I never said you couldn’t like it or that it was an accurate representation of your issues or all our issues as being mentally ill, all I said is that because it had nuance and made the characters likable and throughly explained a lot of plot threads and did a new and interesting story it is way more meaningful and memorable in that way. I’m tired of you guys trying to write this off as art when art has meaning and research and love put into this while this did not. That is the primary difference. Your main points were still bad and this doesn’t prove or deny anything, congratulations for disliking a universally loved game, you are so original and unique.
So I'm not a real crazy person because I have different priorities about art? Very cool of you. Can't wait to tell my psychiatrist that I reliably experience emotions and want to live.
Never said you weren’t. Just said this was a shitty thing to say and if you cared about what people are saying you’d acknowledge that people have different perspectives and points then you do and claiming people don’t understand art because of messy and shitty writing and plot points and treating it like it’s high art is actually just weird. Do not mince my words, I disagree with your point but I never once claimed you weren’t actually mentally ill and trying to throw in the “I like pancakes” “so you must hate waffles” point is petty and unneeded,I never once said anything like that and you saying that shows me you have not entered the conversation with an open mind and civil intentions. If your going to result to undermining my entire point by taking things extremely out of context, I'd rather just not even bother arguing with someone like you.
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Hi, you absolutely did say it to them though. You said, verbatim, "You are pushing a very harmful viewpoint and if you cared about other peoples experiences and other fellow "mental healthers" you would not be saying this as it benefits no one but rather pushes them back into regressive and stigmatized corner". (You also implied that the creator of the game, which does suck, by the way, don't get me wrong!, can't possibly be mentally ill because THEY are expressing themselves in a way YOU don't like. I don't like it either and I don't know whether that person is mentally ill, but unlike you, I live in a world where I can acknowledge that it's possibly that another mentally ill person might sometimes make stupid art, because of course that can happen.)
So! Considering that original post was very clearly coming from a perspective of caring about other "mental healthers", as it is very insane to imagine that someone saying they don't want to risk accidentally censoring the art of a person who might have mental health issues would mean it for any other reason, the only reasonable assumption is that you're implying that they don't have those issues at all. Or were you trying to say something that made even less sense and was even less relevant? Either way, you've declared that anyone who doesn't have your exact perspective must not care about other people, while brutally attacking anyone who makes art you dislike. This is ridiculous, fundamentally pro-censorship, and overall it's absolutely disgusting. You were trying to be hurtful and you know you were and the least you could do is not be a coward about it, but of course that won't happen, because you don't have a meaningful stance here, and you live life with such intensive cognitive dissonance that you're able to convince yourself that wanting to CENSOR ART THAT YOU PERSONALLY FELT WASN'T VERY GOOD is actually a very good stance that makes the world better. You've convinced yourself that CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow more free to discuss sensitive topics, and that NOT CENSORING PEOPLE will lead to them being somehow less free. A child could tell you how little sense that makes.
You haven't taken responsibility for any of the awful things you said, you claim to be defending media literacy and critical thinking even though everything about your approach does nothing but further damage and disincentivize those things, your various posts about this consist of you pretty much refuse to engage honestly with a single point being by anyone you're talking to, and you still have the gall to act like it's OTHERS who aren't approaching this debate in good faith and can't be reasonably engaged with? Yeah, no. The game being criticized sucks, but there's no question whatsoever that you are the person here who should be ashamed.
Don't worry, though, I won't try to debate you. This post really isn't even for you, because you've already made it abundantly clear that you're a dishonest, vicious, pearl-clutching reactionary who has never once been willing to actually communicate. I'm just putting it here because this whole exchange left me searingly angry and I want there to be a record of someone refusing to swallow your crap.
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Forgot about the stupid DDLC take you had in another comment. Not here to debate that with scum like you either, but WOW it sure was gross how you responded by basically saying "lol who cares that the game I liked more actually hurt you, because I liked it" and then deliberately implied that they secretly only disliked the game because it's popular, as if it's literally impossible for someone to have a different experience than yours and anyone who did must be lying. And please don't even bother trying to explain how actually when you said that you meant something else. You meant what you said and you know it. Alright, peace. I hope your life is really, really bad and it only ever gets worse.
brooooo why you gotta dramabait on itchio for